on defense. explain yourself, justify yourself, move the spotlight off of barack obama's debate. >> completely distorts what he believes and who he is -- >> that would never happen. >> but my point was going to be, my point was going to be that the way for ryan to preven that, he has to be on offense. he has to move, look, we tried trickle down government for $16 trillion worth of debt. how do we do it? do we fix anything? he has to keep the spotlight on obama. >> here's what joe biden is going to do? does it stand for the extremism of paul ryan and his budget or this new guy that showed up at the debate last week and he is going to say, who are these people? what do they stand for? actually, paul ryan is driving mitt romney, because, that's right, he is the target. paul ryan is driving mitt romney when it comes to the budget, when it comes to medicare. i mean, this is -- >> let me just add this. four years ago when biden came up here, he was facing sarah palin. now, the easy thing would have been to attack sarah palin. he does not do that. he steered clear of that and went stra